ABC News investigates air tanker shortage and how it may have affected the 19 fatalities on Yarnell Hill Fire

Yarnell Hill Fire fatality site, Arizona
Yarnell Hill Fire fatality site. The site was just beyond the road, which was put in by a dozer after the accident to facilitate removal of the bodies.  Prescott FD photo by Wade Ward.

ABC News ran an 8-minute piece on Nightline yesterday about the shortage of air tankers and how it may have affected the deaths of 19 members of the Granite Mountain Hotshots on the Yarnell Hill Fire on June 30. Investigative reporter Brian Ross interviewed U.S. Forest Service Chief Tom Tidwell, asking him several hard-hitting questions about why the agency has failed to rebuild the large air tanker fleet which has withered away over the last 11 years from 44 in 2002 to 11 this year. Chief Tidwell told ABC 54 different times that the Forest Service is “moving forward” to add more air tankers. Mr. Ross asked him, “How much time do you need? Is 11 years not enough?”

ABC also interviewed Division Chief Darrell Willis of the Prescott Fire Department which employed the Granite Mountain Hotshots. It was pointed out that six air tankers were requested for the Yarnell Hill Fire but five of the requests were not able to be filled, and the sixth was filled with a P2V from California which had engine problems while en route and had to return. The way the video was edited makes it appear that Chief Willis said that if the request for the six air tankers had been filled it may have saved the lives of the 19 hotshots.

The facts are that the request for six air tankers was placed 44 minutes before Air Attack reported at 4:47 p.m. that shelters had been deployed on the fire. With several other fires going at the same time, if the request had been filled, it is unlikely that any of the additional air tankers would have been close enough to drop retardant on the fire within 44 minutes after the request was placed by Air Attack.

If the request had been ordered and filled on the first day of the fire, or the second day of the fire, or the morning of the third day, it may have made a difference. On the second day, 24 hours after it was reported, it had burned six acres and was being fought by 13 firefighters. About 23 hours after that, on day three, 19 firefighters were dead.

Chief Willis has been very visible since the accident, including as recently as yesterday in an article at the Phoenix New Times, and has been quite willing to express his opinion about the causes of the deaths of 19 members of his fire department. He stated at a press conference, “It was just one of those things that happened. You can call it an accident. I just say that God had a different plan for that crew at this time.”

The Arizona State Forestry Division was responsible for suppressing the fire. Their Deputy Director Jerry Payne has also chimed in saying the hotshots violated procedures which led to their entrapment and death. After his remarks were reported by John Dougherty of Investigative Media, Mr. Payne and Jim Paxon, a spokesman for the State of Arizona who you saw in the ABC video, vigorous denied that Mr. Payne made those statements. Arizona Governor Jan Brewer later had to do damage control, admitting that Mr. Payne’s comments were in fact correctly reported, and the state issued an apology for Payne’s statements.

Our thoughts

Chief Willis and Deputy Director Payne appear to be attempting to deflect blame away from their own organizations. We suggest that both of them shut the hell up and let the official investigation run its course, which, we hope will produce a complete, honest, thorough, and fact-filled report.

ABC News, Nightline, Brian Ross, and the producers of the video deserve praise for their report. I did not detect any factual errors, which is very unusual for a lengthy mainstream media piece about wildland fire. They obviously conducted thorough research and went into the Chief Tidwell interview well prepared, asking excellent, hard-hitting questions.

Below is the transcript of the ABC News piece provided by ABC. It is extremely rough, and must have been created by a computer voice recognition program.

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“Transcript for Would Firefighting Planes Have Helped Doomed Firemen?

(This transcript has been automatically generated and may not be 100% accurate.)

We think of firefighting we most often think in the — boots on the ground heading in neighboring buildings are perilous terrain to save lives and extinguish flames. But for the biggest — the ones that threaten entire communities and swaths of land. Help — to come from the air as well.

But the US Forest Service says they just don’t have enough — to do the job and the ones they do have a relics from the time of the Korean War. ABC’s Brian Ross investigates. It has been a decade of unrelenting wild fires in a vicious cycle of drought.

Millions of acres burned thousands of homes destroyed. Some 200 firefighters — this has been ongoing for really from about the last ten years speech here seems to get worse and worse. With the fire now raging north of San Francisco and the fire that went through Yosemite two weeks ago.

This year may become the worst of all. According to the federal official in charge of fighting the fires chief Tom — well. Of the United States Forest Service and we’re having just tremendous problems being able to control being able to suppress the fires were happiness here.

And for the firefighters on the ground including the so called smoke jumpers and hot shot there. The ability to call in reinforcements from the — has never been more critical. Yet at ABC news investigation has found that even as the number of fires has dramatically increase over the last decade.

Officials in Washington. While the fleet of large firefighting tankers to shrink dramatically by 75%. To 44 planes available just ten years ago.

A move that firefighting officials say has put lives at risk. How many air tankers do you have available on and — Wednesday. Right now eleven to the million a lot more fires we do you have more fires a drought cycle yes it is unrelenting.

Yes is that really enough. It’s eleven is not enough. The impact of the — fleet and the value of those aircraft.

It was clear — one of this year’s big bucks the mountain ridge fire near Palm Springs, California. The fire has been burning now for more than 24 hours on 101,000 acres have been scorched. It’s one of the biggest fires in this area in thirty years — both state and federal firefighting aircraft have been brought in to fight the fire.

Helicopters dumping water directly on the fire. The aircraft tankers dropping fire retardant that — material. Sets up — line to stop the fire in its tracks.

It’s like a military combat operations. Spotter planes overhead but didn’t find the target the hot spots. And then they guiding in the air tankers flying low through smoke and rough terrain.

To drop the load of fire retardant chemicals and set up a kind of know — — The more that we get dropped with those ground crews or or does — come — below. Is gonna make the difference in us getting that perimeter line contained the planes hitting the mountain ridge fire were flying out of the nearby airbase. Where we saw firsthand another huge problem.

Of the few planes still — some of the aircraft are fifty years old or older. Military submarine — going back to the Korean War. Like museum pieces still an active duty but it’s no secret to the US Forest Service which is — on notice.

Since this 2002 report and eight others after it that it’s big aircraft tankers were badly aging and should be replaced. The first report on the need to upgrade the fleet was in 2002. This is 2013.

You still don’t have the new planes what’s been going on — last eleven years. We’ve been moving forward with film — in their craft that we had and in some cases that has led to more tragedy. Here the wings of one aged firefighting plane literally tore off in flight.

Last year to more firefighting planes crashed. As a safety precaution more aircraft have been grounded but were never replaced on a permanent basis. The chief of the California wildfire forces wrote to chief — — — the Forest Service last year saying the diminish fleet.

Risks large fires that threaten lives and natural resources. You accept that. We that’s why we’ve moved forward to acquire additional aircraft in our interview chief Tim Miller told us much the same thing 54 different times and — the Forest Service was moving forward.

We are moving forward move forward move forward moving forward to — said the Forest Service can also use military cargo planes when needed. And blamed the federal contract in process but he would not answer why it has taken so well more than a decade to replenish the depleted air fleet. Big tankers how much time do you need.

Eleven years on enough. We’re moving forward with the next generation we already have some of those playing — — gonna have promised — Vermont. We have two of them flying — day.

A handful at most turns out and still nowhere near enough. According to state firefighting officials in states most prone to wildfires. Including those in Arizona.

Who could not get the air tankers they want. The day nineteen — firefighters. Died in the town — — this summer we’re six air tankers ordered.

Air tankers are a rare commodity in today’s our world. He ordered six and you got none we got one committed but he didn’t get here that was one of the Korean War vintage planes like this — Please — engine problems. Statue returned to its base in California.

So there were no larger tankers on route when the are no fire took off as the winds change direction and increased in speed. The nineteen hot shots were trapped as the flames raced toward them with nothing in the fire’s way. The badly burned bodies were discovered a short time later.

— — — — — — — — Chief Daryl Willis says he still wonders although it’s not precisely clear. If the men would have survived had any of the requested larger tankers made it to the — Give me — bottom five minutes. It may have bottomed ten minutes to get to a little safer place than where they were that it made a difference.

Ten minutes could absolutely. If — had ten more minutes a commitment that crew is totally — there’s no question in my mind that they would amend. The final investigative report on the — fire is still being worked on by officials.

And US Forest Service chief — — says no one may ever know the tankers would have made a difference. On any given day when we get hundreds of fires started in any given day. We’ll never have enough aircraft for every single fire so — always has to be — — if you had a bigger fleet they wouldn’t be as difficult tickets.

It would we be able to respond to more request. But Jarno did not become a priority until after the firefighters — There simply were not enough air to despair before that. — that officials in Washington.

Beloved Detroit 214 — size over the last ten years so what you had a decade ago you don’t have today that’s correct. Howard and those that need. If you talk to firefighters on the ground it’s extreme we we need — — The US Forest Service says it has a plan for a brand new fleet — firefighting aircraft.”

 

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Author: Bill Gabbert

After working full time in wildland fire for 33 years, he continues to learn, and strives to be a Student of Fire.

13 thoughts on “ABC News investigates air tanker shortage and how it may have affected the 19 fatalities on Yarnell Hill Fire”

  1. There were airtankers (how many I do not know) already working on the Yarnell Hill fire when the additional air tankers were ordered. The report is not clear on that fact.

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    1. That’s true, Shaun. Both DC-10s dropped multiple times on the fire that day, June 30, but it’s not clear when. And there were other air tankers as well. During the wind event that changed the direction of spread of the fire, overwhelming the Hotshots, it is likely that no air tankers were flying over the fire, and if they even could fly safely, retardant from air tankers or helicopter water drops in such a strong wind would have had little effect. At that time one or more of the nearby reload bases were shut down because of the thunderstorm.

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    2. And I think that’s a good point, shaun. While we may like the general focus of the news story, and I agree it is well done, it’s not completely accurate. I wouldn’t be surprised if they recognized that, there are a lot of very smart people working there.

      But allowing that to slip into the story would reduce the controversy, and controversy sells advertising. The purpose of that show is to sell advertising, and make money for the stockholders. The information provided is secondary.

      If you want to be able to draw conclusions, you will have to wait for the complete investigation report. And many times, you have to read the factual portion, and draw your own conclusions based on experience to know “the Truth”.

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  2. This is part of the story I was hoping would be told. It was good to see Tidwell sweating it and realizing that this was not some uneducated reporter that was going to take the easy answer.

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  3. Mr Morgan

    I thought all that “heavy leadership” at the top of both the WO and Fire “Leadership” was all into that military leadership stuff with all that “leaders intent” “fire is like combat” and all that other reference that they like to purport.

    If the LMA’s did all what they say they did and do about aviation and their dreams of the C130J and C27J we would not have to listen to the types like Tidwell and Harbour saying they got things sewed up this fire season.

    Yes, blame the Congress and the budget…….they ( LMA’s) have had yeeeeeeeears to improve. Keep up the good work, Tom

    We are moving forward…….yep 100 yrs at a time……

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  4. In an tough situation never rely on what’s coming, it may break down, be diverted or never have been sent in the first place. Always have a plan B or C.
    General Garvin commander of the 82nd airborne division said “Learn to work with what you have, not what you want”. Perhaps the leaders of the FS should read his history of the 82nd Airborne in Europe. Very good lessons in leadership and no nonsense management.

    I’m glad ABC did a good interview and asked the hard questions demanding straight answers.

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    1. Paxon is an old hand and a real pro. Anyone involved with this incident could benefit from involving him. He’s about as good as they get with fire info.

      I’m glad he’s still around and still involved …

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  5. Well done investigative report. The Forest Service is just a small model of what the entire Federal Government has become. Ineffective, lack of leadership, inability to function. We elect these people to office, so who is to blame? As I sit here choking on the Rim Fire sixty miles away this is a classic example of the Federal Government to respond. One campfire escape. 120 million dollars in suppression cost.

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  6. I won’t comment on specifics of the Yarnell fire I have no information about. I am, however, seeing similarities between the aftermath of the Yarnell fire and the Esperanza fire in which people who survived make statements that seem and I emphasize the word “seem” to not relate well to reality. It is hard to wait for the official report.

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  7. Bill – I’m afraid that you are “right on the money” with your thoughts about the underlying motives of Willis and Payne to speak so often and loudly about what happened.. Wasn’t there once a 19th “Situation That Shouts Watch Out” that said something to the effect that “you are counting on aviation resources to save your butt”? Another case of Perfect 20-20 hindsight.

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